I hope you don’t think that I forgot about you.
In the comments section of my post How Hard it was to Learn Dd, Strong Man wrote the following comment;
Isn’t that true with so many things in life? It takes time, persistence and practice.
I appreciate your concluding comment: “It is so worth it.” Could you expand on that? How? What has changed for the better and why? Which of those benefits would apply if you were not turned on by spanking? That would probably be worth another post, since you’re the one getting the sore bottom, many people wonder how it helps you.
It will be my pleasure to answer you now Strong Man. My apologies for the delay.
1) “It is so worth it” (expanded version)
“It”, meaning the hard work, the patience and the sacrifices that Henry and I made to establish the changes necessary for our Dd lifestyle. I knew in the beginning that there would be challenges and difficulties ahead. This, I was able to ascertain from reading Dd blogs, as well as many posts on TIH and a Dd forum.
I’ve written about our journey to some extent on my blog, but I can’t say that I wrote about every incident or fully conveyed the sometimes very emotional angst, as I am not very good at public complaining. Oft times, I kept my pity party to myself or wrote in e-mail to sympathetic and supportive friends. But if you read around the blogs, you will learn how difficult it can be to communicate your needs as either a submissive wife or a dominant husband to someone who is not quite as well read on the subject, by someone, I mean your significant other.
There is a blissfulness about my relationship with my husband now. We are more in tune with one another. We understand each other in new and exciting ways. Our love feels deeper and more committed compared to pre- Dd. Our arguments no longer dominate our time together. The tension that occasionally forms from life’s stresses can be dealt with and relieved through our corrective interactions, instead of letting them rule our thoughts, words and deeds.We communicate more fully about how we are feeling and what we are thinking. There is both unconditional love and unconditional respect.
2) How?
“How” was it worth it?
In any endeavor there is a cost. There is most often a cost in time, in effort and in reacting. If you wanted to sum up the three into one, it would be energy. You only get out of something, the level of energy that you put into it, wouldn’t you agree? And while the initial outlay of this energy was substantial for Henry and I to change our marital dynamic, and encompassing a great deal of our mandatory and discretionary energy expenditures, I believe that we have reaped benefits to a exponential degree. You might say that we sustained a profit that exceeded our outlay. I do hope there isn’t a capitol gains tax on that. 
3)) What has changed for the better and why?
The most significant change has been in the way that Henry and I communicate with one another. Without communication it is very difficult to interact with another person, let alone live with them in close quarters, lol! We argue less, like I said. The reason for this is partly the communication skills that we are acquiring, partly our rules, such as speaking respectfully and attending to the emotional needs of the other and partly because we no longer wrestle each other for control of our relationship.
That last one encompasses a great many aspects of our life together, and our life story is not ready to be written (quite yet, lol) but let me tell you what that entails in general,
1)sex
2)our physical surroundings and how that is managed
3)how we spend time, money and energy
4)how we parent our children
5)discipline (self and our spouse)
6)interaction with the world outside of our abode and our marriage
7)our present and future plans
8)which way the toilet paper should exit the roll (you know, over the top or from the back)
Ok, that last one was silly, but so many of our previous arguments seem silly too.
Henry kindly read this prior to printing and the item in #1 was #5. I changed it.
In general, we now have structure that delegates control of these areas. This is still a work in progress, and is different for every couple. Many of these things are discussed and a consensus is made. Henry can override any decisions that we cannot come to agreement on, but thankfully we’ve been able avoid that necessity.
We did have one parenting issue when Henry and I could not agree on the best course of action. He decided that we would do things his way. As it turned out, his way was ineffective for the situation and we then moved on to my preferred course of action. The fact that this worked better did not indicate that I was a better parent and there wasn’t any bragging on my part or feelings of disappointment on Henry’s part. We just went to plan B as a parenting team.
4) Which of those benefits would apply if you were not turned on by spanking?
Quite honestly Strong Man, I do believe that those benefits could easily apply if Henry did not use spanking as a punishment, but rather used non-spanking punishments instead. Henry is actually beginning to intentionally incorporte *more* non-spanking discipline into our marriage. I hope to write more on this topic soon.
I know that there are plenty of Dd couples who do not use spanking as a punishment, but use discipline in other forms. In the beginning of our Dd changes, Henry used a number of non-spanking punishments because he was not yet comfortable with this part of our (then new) lifestyle.
When I first started reading her blog, God’s Gift to Him wrote that her husband did not use spanking as a disciplinary tool. When she wrote her last few posts however, they had decided to incorporate this aspect into their marriage. I don’t know anyone in the Dd communitty who doesn’t use spanking as a disciplinary tool, or at least doesn’t plan to use it in the future. “Birds of a feather” applies here I suppose.
I welcome anyone who reads here who is a non-spanking Dd couple to offer my readers more on the subject. However, I do wish to stress that I am not open to a debate on the subject. So, if you want to offer a list of similarities and differences, that would be great. But if you’re going to offer criticism of our lifestyle, then I will likely not print your comment.
It ‘s been difficult for Henry and I to establish a disciplinary framework that is completely separate from sex at all times, because our initial use of spanking was for erotic adult playtime. I suppose we are creatures of habit, and we have more work to do in this area . It’s hard to say what leads us astray, the reestablishment of good feelings, the re-balance of our D/s roles or the fact that spanking has always lead to pleasurable places in the past. We don’t stop to think about it, we just go with our feelings. Spanking doesn’t always lead us there, but it often does.
I wanted to tell you that when I first read this last part of your comment;
“That would probably be worth another post, since you’re the one getting the sore bottom, many people wonder how it helps you.”
I kept wondering if you were saying more than the written.
But not hearing your tone or inflection, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that it wasn’t meant to be condescending.
My entire blog basically addresses the questions that you pose here. And if people are wondering how it helps me, they need only read a few posts. But then again, maybe you were looking for a more concise answer.
At times I am curious about your own interest here Strong Man. Are you for or against such a lifestyle? Do you ask because you’re unsettled about it in some way? Are you fearful that my writing about my lifestyle may have a negative impact on the “people” that you refer to?
If you are against my lifestyle choice, then why would you continue to read and comment here? This I wonder, and would be glad to print your answer.
I have always found your comments here respectful and I do hope that you will continue to visit, but I am curious Strong Man, you’re not trying to “save me” are you?
Thank you for your questions and as always, you really get me thinking, and I greatly appreciate that!
Elysia
Nice answers Elysia. One sentence sort of struck me to the core. “There is both unconditional love and unconditional respect.” YES! There’s a safety now where M and I not only expect this of each other (though of course we mess up) but there’s a safety in knowing that at the end of the day we are going to work through absolutely everything. We won’t bury the hard stuff or take for granted the wonderful moments. Neither of us will give up on the other, no matter what and it makes me feel so safe.
He he…I love that H edited your list.
Thanks Susie! But shhh, you’ll give away my next post. I almost didn’t include that line as it has dominated my thoughts lately. I still believe that greater respect needs to be earned, but that all people deserve a modicum of respect- unconditionally. And that within a marriage it is even more important that it be there. I’ll stop there since I’ll end up finishing that post right here and now, lol!
But thanks for noticing.
About that edit. Can you believe he found 2 typos and a blank? I asked him, what is a blank?
His reply was that it was- an unnecessary space. Seriously?
I went on and on sarcastically about it and almost lost the laptop for today. Sheesh. I guess I asked him to edit, I should be thankful. lol!
You did a good job with these questions Elysia, as usual. I agree with all of your conclusions…the benefits are so worth the work; it’s all about communication and intimacy; and yes, we could do TTWD without spanking, as others have, if *we* were so inclined and not wired the way we are. I could not do TTWD without it though.
Thanks Sara. Henry said the same. He called it “an essay”. lol
Yes, you and I are wired the same. I’ve been narrowing down my needs to three basic things, but I’m not able to verbalize this completely yet.
I honestly think that it would be helpful for many couples to have basic discipline that is aside from spanking. There are so many times that spanking can’t be done and there’s a possibility that that time could be extended for some unforseen reason, like the woman in one of your recent posts, who’s husband was injured.
Also, I need other measures to help things to go along smoothly between H and I. Spanking is not enough discipline for me- we are both quickly discovering. Plus the fact that there is a solidification and real aspect that is very necessary for me. I read something somewhere that really struck me some time ago, and I can’t relocate it. Basically I need H to be HOH in a myriad of strong ways.
Like you,I prefer that spanking stays in the contract though.
Good answers. I always appreciate people who ask me those kinds of questions because it helps me get clearer on why we do what we do.
I’ve noticed that you don’t shy away from comments that are negative or difficult. It does indeed press the envelope and challenge us in ways that truly helps us grow further. And I think that you show them that modicum of respect that I mentioned above too.
But then again, I’ve had a couple of comments that really got me to shaking my head too.
This one from Strongman wasn’t one of those.
Wow! My own post! I’m flattered.
Don’t worry–I’m not trying to save you. No need to rescue someone who already is happy, even improved. As you’ll notice from my blog, I’m in favor of husband-led marriages and families–I believe that is how we’re designed to be the most happy. I’m concerned society is suffering because we’re turning away from encouraging men.
I initially came across the topic of your blog in the quest for continually improving myself and my own marriage. This seems to have been a helpful way for you to find happiness, and I’ve read from others for whom the effort to clarify leadership roles has rescued a dead relationship.
I’m glad you included the note about moving item #5 to item #1. That issue I believe is key in marriage–and usually underestimated by wives. Although I don’t write about DD, I have written about how the husband as leader affects this issue in a couple of posts: Intimacy and Leadership and Effects on Intimacy
I also find it interesting that “non-spanking” punishments also are quite common. I actually believe every relationship finds various ways of “punishing” each other–through emotional withdrawal, ignoring, withholding sex, yelling, mocking, not giving what the other partner wants, etc. Your method seems to have minimized those really damaging behaviors by clarifying that you will no longer fight it out in a battle over who is “in charge.”
Thanks again for sharing!
Strong Man wrote: “I actually believe every relationship finds various ways of ‘punishing’ each other–through emotional withdrawal, ignoring, withholding sex, yelling, mocking, not giving what the other partner wants, etc. Your method seems to have minimized those really damaging behaviors by clarifying that you will no longer fight it out in a battle over who is ‘in charge.’”
That’s it. Right there. Anne and I used to have these half-conscious, poorly understood ways of ‘punishing’ each other, and we both ended up feeling bruised.
You’ve got an interesting blog, Strong Man, and I appreciate your visit here.
I’m glad you are pleased. The title was in my head well before I wrote it. I do apologize for misspelling your moniker. I pride myself on editing out 98% of typos, and I’ve been known to update when one drives me nuts after I’ve hit the publish button. If you’ll notice I corrected my error. My husband proofread this for me, but we both missed how it was spelled in the comment. Makes that blank a tiny little blip, lol.
I’m glad that you’re not trying t save me. I had visited your blog in the past, and I noted our similar views on male headship, but the way we got there was from a different path. I think our commonalities are enough for camaraderie.
I agree with your thought that society is suffering b/c men are discouraged from stepping up to lead, but more importantly there is a lack of information on how to do that best in the best way. That way may be different for different couples. I suppose we add variety to “people’s” search. Your site may be helpful to some of my readers, so thank you for the links.
In your comment you talk about how a spouse might “punish” by various unsanctioned (within the marital structure) methods such as manipulation, passive-aggressive behavior and withholding sex etc. These are meant to punish but usually only serves to drive a couple further a part – H and I can attest to that!
The issue of withholding sex is never an issue for us now, and for my husband, it may have been his biggest draw to this lifestyle. We negotiate our dynamic like we do everything else. At least thus far. I have disagreed with a few items that H wanted to incorporate and thankfully I was heard. They may come up again, but we’re trying to take it slow and we want as many positive experiences as possible.
I find it interesting that you found me while searching for information regarding your own marriage. Your blog doesn’t mention specific things that you do to lead your wife (that I’ve found). The blogs here often share what we do and how we do it. Maybe you could share with us, seeing as your the leader and all. I think people want to know and perhaps it’s worth a post on your blog.
elysia–thanks for the response.
Most of my posts so far have been quite theoretical–in part because when I started my blog, that’s mostly where I was–coming to an understanding and solidifying my idea that marriages and families work best when the husband leads. Actual implementation is difficult. I can relate a lot to Kevan’s position above.
However, you might check a couple of posts about actual practical ideas, many of which I’ve tried with success: My series on Marriage tips or, Advice for Troubled Marriages or 10 ways to cope with a wife .
There are a few others. I generally believe in the concept that if we fully understand the principles, we each can find our own ways of implementing them. But, I’d like to be a bit more personal about specific things I’m trying–because that is what I enjoy about other blogs.
Really loved your post. It is unusual that I read an entire post and nod in agreement throughout. We enjoyed spanking before DD and now during DD. I find that the punishment spankings hurt more inside (emotionally). But they do take care of all the negative alternatives that we used to do, as you already mentioned. DD has turned our relationship around and I am so in love with my husband. I trust my husband which has allowed for us to enjoy spanking and now he has stepped up and is a natural HoH. There are all kinds of non spanking punishments but as of yet, we haven’t used them. Even when we can’t spank right away, none of the other options seem like something that would work for us. I like the spanking because it clears the air and we move on. Done. No more bad feelings or anger. Well kind of wordy, sorry.
Blondie, I apologize that I’ve never finished reading your entire blog. I started too a few weeks ago, and there are just so many things pulling me in different directions. This morning I made a promise to myself to start a big writing project, so I may be quiet in Blogland for a bit. But from what I’ve read on your blog, you are very similar to me. Your background with your husband is similar and we share some other philosophical views.
Yes, spanking is definitive alright, and there are so many things about it that make it work best for us. But we are finding that the non-spanking punishments in conjunction are adding a whole new dimension to our interactions. You might say that they are enhancing the punishment aspect of Dd. I do wish that I had more time to write a post about it. I’ll try.
It’s interesting that you have them, but don’t use them.
From one wordy girl to another, don’t worry about too many over hear at BDP, I rate comments on word count. No, just kidding!
I like “wordy”, especially when you have such good things to say!